Reclining your seat in economy isn’t your right, it’s the problem. It is rude and selfish, and it is beyond time airlines banned reclining seats for good.
Editor’s Note: This editorial draws on more than 25 years of independent travel, first-hand experience and publicly documented evidence and regulatory changes. Many of these editorials were written years before the issues became mainstream, and have been updated to reflect current developments while remaining true to their original arguments.
The debate over reclining airline seats is one of those arguments that refuses to die. Every year or two another viral video, another passenger confrontation or another headline reignites exactly the same discussion.
Since this article was first published and banning reclining seats in economy was still widely dismissed as an overreaction, the now infamous American Airlines flight – where a passenger was filmed repeatedly knocking the back of a fully reclined seat when the other passenger refused to put it back up – has been followed by countless viral instances of sheer entitled selfishness and arguments over reclining seats.
Every single time, in case after case, the reporting follows exactly the same script. It ‘sparks debate’. Social media is said to be ‘divided’. Millions of comments from ‘both sides’ are dutifully reported, as though the issue remains unresolved despite years of mounting evidence that the feature itself is the problem and opinion is not nearly as divided as they make out. Mainstream media sits on the fence as much as the airline industry does, pitting passenger against passenger and hoping everyone will just be quiet and accept the status quo.
Yet after years of making the case, the conclusion remains exactly the same. Reclining your seat in modern economy class is rude and inconsiderate, those who choose to do it are entitled and selfish, and are putting their own comfort ahead of everyone else’s, and the feature itself has no place in economy cabins on modern aircraft.
It is time to ban reclining seats in economy completely.
Thirteen years ago, calling for reclining seats to be removed from economy was treated as a fringe opinion. Today, it is becoming increasingly difficult to argue that the current system is working. Thirteen years, countless viral incidents and a steadily shrinking economy cabin later, that fringe opinion looks less like an overreaction and more like common sense.
Economy cabins have become even more cramped, seat pitch has shrunk even more, passengers increasingly rely on the limited space in front of them to work, eat and use personal devices, and disputes over reclining seats continue to erupt with predictable regularity. At the same time, the airline industry itself has slowly and quietly begun moving towards fixed and limited-recline seating on many aircraft, recognising that traditional reclining seats are increasingly incompatible with the realities of modern economy cabins.
Reclining seats are no longer a harmless convenience placed into spacious cabins; they are an outdated feature that forces one passenger’s comfort to come at another’s expense. The obvious solution is also the simplest: remove reclining seats from economy class altogether and end the argument once and for all.
Is it rude to recline your seat on a plane? Quick Answer
Yes. Reclining your seat in a modern economy cabin is rude, selfish and wrong because it reduces the already limited space available to the passenger behind you for little meaningful benefit, and economy seat pitch has shrunk so much that there is simply no room to recline. While airlines bear much of the responsibility for creating increasingly cramped cabins, choosing to recline still means prioritising your own comfort at someone else’s expense. The long-term solution is not better etiquette or endless debates over who is right. It is for airlines to remove reclining seats from economy class altogether and end a conflict that modern cabin design has made impossible to resolve fairly.
Why This Debate Never Ends
Every time another reclining seat argument goes viral, it is treated as though it raises a fascinating new question. Is it rude to recline your seat on a plane? Does the passenger in front have the right to recline? Should the passenger behind simply accept it? Television debates, newspaper columns and social media threads faithfully present the issue as though opinion remains evenly divided, with passionate arguments on both sides and no obvious answer.
Except that is not really true.
For well over a decade, survey after survey has found that most passengers consider reclining in economy to be rude, inconsiderate or at best acceptable only in limited circumstances. The absolute majority want them banned entirely. The precise numbers vary depending on who conducts the poll and how the question is asked, but the direction of travel has been remarkably consistent. Public opinion has steadily shifted away from defending reclining seats and towards questioning why they still exist at all. Yet much of the media continues to frame every new incident as though the debate is still a perfectly balanced fifty-fifty split.
The reason the argument refuses to disappear is because it is built around the wrong question. The real issue is not whether passengers should recline. It is whether reclining seats still belong in modern economy cabins at all.
When reclining seats first appeared on aircraft more than a century ago, they made perfect sense. Early passenger aircraft were designed more like luxury railway carriages or ocean liners than the densely packed cabins we know today. Even after more conventional rows of seats became the norm, passengers still enjoyed well over ten inches more seat pitch than is common today, while the average adult was several inches shorter. Reclining your seat was a genuine comfort that rarely came at anyone else’s expense because there was enough space for everyone.
Modern economy cabins are a completely different environment. Airlines have steadily reduced seat pitch in pursuit of higher passenger numbers, with many economy cabins now offering just 28 to 31 inches between rows. At the same time, people are taller, broader and travel with laptops, tablets, phones and tray tables in constant use. Reclining no longer creates extra comfort from unused space; it simply transfers the discomfort to the passenger behind.
That is why every new incident follows exactly the same script. Different passengers, different airlines and different headlines, but the same predictable conflict. One passenger insists they have every right to recline. Another argues that doing so invades the tiny amount of personal space they have left. The media declares another ‘heated debate’, social media dutifully takes sides, and everyone argues over etiquette while ignoring the real problem.
The design stopped working years ago. The arguments are simply the symptom of a larger problem.
Airlines Engineered The Conflict
Reclining seats were never the problem. For decades they worked exactly as intended because they were designed for a completely different era of aviation. The airlines changed that.
Over decades they systematically stripped away passenger space, shaving inch after inch from seat pitch, narrowing seats and cramming more and more rows into the same aircraft. Every additional seat represented another fare that could be sold, another opportunity to squeeze a little more profit from every flight. None of these decisions were accidental, and none were forced upon them. They were calculated commercial choices made in boardrooms, with one eye firmly fixed on revenue.
The problem is that while the cabins changed beyond recognition, the seats never did.
Instead of accepting that a design conceived for spacious cabins no longer worked in aircraft packed with passengers sitting shoulder to shoulder, airlines simply carried on installing the same reclining seats as though nothing had changed. They created an environment where every inch of personal space mattered, then left in place a mechanism that allows one passenger to take part of that space away from another. The conflict was not an unforeseen consequence. It was built into the cabin by design.
The industry cannot credibly claim it failed to see this coming. Passenger complaints about reclining seats have existed for decades. Airlines have watched viral arguments erupt across social media, read endless complaints, seen the reports from air crew that recliners are a huge root cause of air rage incidents, seen flights disrupted and even diverted, and witnessed the same debate replay itself over and over again. Every incident has reinforced exactly the same point: reducing personal space while keeping reclining seats creates conflict. Yet instead of addressing the underlying cause, airlines have largely stood back and allowed passengers to argue amongst themselves.
Because they know they can get away with it and count the profit.
As long as passengers are blaming each other, they are not blaming the airlines that deliberately created the conditions for those arguments in the first place. Every headline asking whether it is rude to recline distracts from the far more important question of why airlines continue fitting reclining seats into cabins where they can no longer function fairly. The endless etiquette debate has become the perfect smokescreen, allowing airlines to avoid responsibility while passengers fight over the crumbs of personal space left to them.
The usual defence is that redesigning or retrofitting entire fleets would be expensive. Perhaps it would. But that argument grows weaker with every new aircraft delivered, every new fleet brought into service and every cabin refurbishment completed. Every new seat specification is another opportunity to consign an outdated design to history, yet many airlines continue making exactly the same choice. They continue squeezing more passengers into less space while preserving the one feature guaranteed to turn neighbour against neighbour.
This was not an unavoidable consequence of modern air travel. It was a predictable, entirely preventable outcome of decisions made over many years by an industry that repeatedly chose capacity over comfort and profit over passenger experience, and then left everyone else to deal with the consequences.
The airlines are unquestionably the chief architects of this mess, and they deserve the lion’s share of the blame. But identifying the principal culprit does not grant everyone else immunity. Every passenger who knowingly reclines into somebody else’s already limited space is still making a conscious choice, and it is those selfish choices that keep this entirely avoidable conflict alive.
The Airlines Created The Problem. Passengers Are Still At Fault.
There is no getting away from the fact that airlines engineered this mess. They knowingly created cabins where passengers are packed together with barely enough room to sit comfortably, then left an outdated feature in place that guarantees one person’s comfort comes directly at another person’s expense.
That does not, however, absolve the people who still choose to press the recline button.
And that is exactly what it is, a choice. A selfish one.
Reclining a seat in economy is a conscious decision not to coexist respectfully in a shared space, made with full knowledge that a tiny increase in perceived comfort comes at a significant increase in discomfort, inconvenience and often even pain for the person behind. That sheer sense of entitlement and lack of basic consideration lays bare a fundamental failure of civic empathy and a complete disregard for the unwritten social contract of economy class: that everyone is enduring the same cramped, uncomfortable journey together, no one is entirely comfortable – the airlines themselves have seen to that – and the expectation is that, at the very least, nobody deliberately makes it worse for anybody else.
In the confined and shrunken reality of a modern economy cabin, reclining is no longer a harmless convenience. It is a deliberate transfer of discomfort from yourself to somebody else. It reduces already inadequate legroom, encroaches further into personal space, makes working, eating and using a laptop more difficult, and often turns an already uncomfortable journey into an even more miserable one for the person behind.
There is no convincing justification for it. There are only people who feel sufficiently entitled to believe their own comfort matters more than everybody else’s.
Yet rather than acknowledge the obvious impact of their actions, many recliners retreat behind the same tired excuses that have been shot down and disproven time and time again. They insist they have ‘a right’ to recline, that they ‘paid for the seat’, or that because the airline fitted a recline button, using it somehow becomes beyond criticism.
None of these excuses changes the underlying reality. They are not reasoned defences of reclining. They are nothing more than attempts to rationalise behaviour that most people instinctively recognise as selfish. However they are dressed up, every one of them ultimately says the same thing: I know this makes your journey worse, but I have decided my comfort is more important than yours. And that level of selfish entitlement is no longer acceptable.
The Myth Of The ‘Right To Recline’ And Other Excuses
The selfish narcissists who recline have no end of excuses to try and justify their solipsism. Yet it all boils down to one simple, erroneous principle. ‘I have every right to recline.’
No, you don’t.
There is no such right. It does not exist in law, it does not exist in any airline’s conditions of carriage, and it certainly does not exist in any meaningful moral sense. It is an entitlement invented by people who want to justify making somebody else’s journey worse for the sake of making their own marginally better.
The airline industry’s refusal to solve the problem does not magically create rights where none exist. It simply creates more opportunities for selfish people to pretend their behaviour is somehow justified.
No civilised society has ever worked on the principle that your comfort should come at somebody else’s expense. Rights do not operate in isolation from responsibilities, and they certainly do not entitle you to diminish somebody else’s experience simply because you have found a mechanism that allows you to do it. The moment exercising your supposed ‘right’ objectively makes life worse for the person behind you, you have stopped talking about rights altogether. You are talking about selfishness.
There has never been a right to recline. There has only ever been a choice between showing consideration for another human being or choosing not to. Dressing that choice up in the language of rights does not make it any less selfish.
‘I Paid To Use Every Feature Of The Seat ‘
No, you didn’t.
What you purchased was a contract of transportation from A to B under the airline’s Conditions of Carriage. That is what your ticket buys. A single seat while they get you from one airport to the next. Nothing more, nothing less.
Not one single airline includes reclining or any other feature of that seat in the ticket price or the contract. Airlines routinely reserve the right to change your seat, substitute the aircraft, alter the cabin layout and even provide a different aircraft altogether, and make it clear that particular seat features, onboard facilities and entertainment systems are not guaranteed. They are features of the equipment the airline happens to provide, not contractual entitlements that form part of your ticket.
The idea that buying an economy fare somehow guarantees unrestricted use of every feature attached to your seat simply isn’t true.
More importantly, even if it were, it still wouldn’t justify invading somebody else’s personal space. You bought your seat. You didn’t buy your seat and half of mine. And guess what, everyone else paid for their seats too.
That is where the entire argument collapses. A seat is, quite simply, ‘a thing made or used for sitting on.’ That is exactly what every passenger purchased. Not a licence to expand backwards into somebody else’s already inadequate space, not permission to use your seat as a battering ram against the knees of the passenger behind you, and certainly not ownership of part of another passenger’s journey.
We all boarded the aircraft expecting to occupy exactly the same amount of space, and we all began the flight sitting upright. That is the default position of every economy cabin. It is the position every passenger paid for, and it is the position every passenger should remain in.
If you genuinely want to lie flat, the you go and buy yourself an upgrade to first class. What you do not get to do is buy exactly the same economy ticket as everybody else and then decide that your comfort entitles you to occupy part of the space they paid for as well.
‘The Seat Was Designed to Recline’
This is probably the weakest excuse of them all. Just because something was designed to be used does not mean it should still be used. Ashtrays are still a design feature in modern aircraft too, but that doesn’t mean the selfish arseholes who used to light up whenever they fancied it are still allowed to.
Yes, technically it is true, airline seats were designed to recline. They were also designed over a hundred years ago, when flying was a luxury experience, aircraft cabins bore little resemblance to the densely packed economy cabins of today and you weren’t reclining into anybody else. Even after airlines adopted the more familiar rows of seating and retained the feature, it still made sense because seat pitch was up to ten inches greater than it is now and the average passenger was around three inches shorter than they are today.
Yes, the seats were designed that way, but they were designed for an environment where there was actually room for them to function without significantly impacting anybody else.
That world no longer exists.
Modern airlines have systematically reduced seat pitch and therefore legroom by up to ten inches, squeezed more rows into the cabin and pushed economy seating to the point where even sitting upright is cramped. In that environment, reclining no longer creates comfort. It simply transfers discomfort. Choosing to do it is ignorant, selfish and rude and, like smoking, it deserves to be consigned to the history books as antisocial, self-centred and utterly disrespectful of other people’s personal space.
The seat may still recline because most airlines haven’t bothered replacing it, but it is an outdated feature left behind by an industry that has fundamentally changed around it.
The fact that the mechanism still exists is not an argument for using it. It is an argument that airlines have failed to modernise their cabins.
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.
‘I Have A Bad Back’
Poor baby. You have a sore back? Well I have sore knees due to you reclining on them. I’m not causing your bad back, you are directly affecting the pain and injury in my knees. How do you know the person behind doesn’t have a medical condition or disability with their legs where they require that seated position? Is your problem more deserving than theirs?
If you know you have a medical condition beforehand where the default sitting position will cause you pain, the onus is on you to make other arrangements, not for everyone else to suffer because of it. Pay to upgrade to business or first where reclining is not an issue, or take shorter segmented flights. The default position is uncomfortable for me too but I can put up with it provided no extra discomfort like a reclining arsehole is added, so I am the one who gets to use that default position without paying more.
‘Everyone Else Can Recline Too’
This has always been one of the more ridiculous excuses. Apparently it doesn’t matter if you make the person behind you uncomfortable because they can simply do exactly the same thing to the person behind them. What an extraordinary moral philosophy. It doesn’t matter if you’re a complete selfish parasite, because everyone else can be one too. Well done. Superb reasoning.
Apart from the fact it is utter bullshit.
On most modern aircraft there are at least two rows that can’t recline: the exit rows and the back row. The domino effect always ends somewhere, and when it does somebody is left absorbing everyone else’s selfishness while the people in front congratulate themselves on being utterly reprehensible human beings.
Even if every seat did recline, the argument would still be nonsense. If everybody presses the button, nobody magically gains more space. The entire cabin just shifts backwards into itself, everyone remains just as cramped as before, and the only thing that has changed is that eating, working and existing have become more awkward for everybody.
The argument falls apart even further because not everybody chooses to recline. Some people are actually decent human beings. Some people have manners. Some people understand that sharing a cramped aluminium tube with hundreds of strangers requires the smallest amount of courtesy, and choose not to make somebody else’s journey even worse simply because they technically can.
So no, everyone can’t ‘just recline too’. Some physically can’t. Others simply won’t, because they possess something far more valuable than a recline button: basic consideration for other people.
Airlines Already Know the Answer
The absurdity of this endless debate is that reclining seats are not an unavoidable feature of air travel. They are not essential to safety, they are not necessary for comfort and they are certainly not the only way to design an economy cabin. The technology to replace them already exists, the alternatives are already flying and airlines increasingly know that allowing one passenger to invade another passenger’s space is an outdated solution to a problem they created.
The most obvious alternative is the fixed or pre-reclined seat: a thinner, lighter seat positioned at a comfortable permanent angle without a mechanism that allows passengers to throw it backwards whenever they please. Ryanair and easyJet have operated non-reclining economy seats for years, while British Airways introduced fixed-back seats on parts of its short-haul fleet. These are not theoretical concepts waiting to be invented. Millions of passengers already fly in them every year without the aircraft falling from the sky or their spines spontaneously disintegrating. British Airways’ introduction of fixed-back economy seats
The next generation of these seats makes the argument even stronger. EasyJet’s announcement of its new Mirus Kestrel economy seat explains how the airline will introduce the seats across new Airbus A320neo and A321neo deliveries from 2028. Its thinner carbon-fibre seatback and redesigned seating position are intended to provide up to two inches of additional knee and shin clearance without increasing the distance between rows, while its fixed recline prevents passengers from invading the space behind them. In other words, better engineering can give passengers more usable room without reducing the number of seats an airline can sell.
Lighter seating also reduces the weight an aircraft has to carry on every flight. The saving from one seat may be relatively small, but multiplied across an entire cabin and thousands of flights over the aircraft’s working life, it means lower fuel consumption, reduced operating costs and fewer emissions. RECARO Aircraft Seating’s economy seat range explicitly promotes its latest economy seats on exactly those grounds, with lighter designs creating additional knee space while reducing aircraft weight and fuel burn. Newer models such as the R1, R2 and R3 continue the same direction of travel: thinner structures, lower weight, better use of space and improved efficiency.
Removing the recline mechanism also means fewer moving components to break, jam or require maintenance. It allows airlines to install slimmer seats, use cabin space more efficiently and potentially fit additional rows without forcing every passenger’s knees even further towards their face. Airlines get lower costs and more commercially useful cabins, passengers get predictable personal space, and the environmental impact of carrying unnecessary weight is reduced. Almost everyone benefits, apart from those who consider forcing a stranger to stare at the top of their head for eight hours an essential part of the flying experience.
Fixed seats are not the only solution either. Airlines could introduce separate reclining and non-reclining sections, with anyone desperate to recline placed at the back behind passengers who have knowingly chosen the same arrangement. They could use fixed-shell seats that recline within their own structure, as airlines already do in some premium cabins, or seats in which the base slides forward so the person choosing to recline sacrifices their own space instead of stealing it from somebody else. Lufthansa’s new Allegris premium economy seat is one example of this fixed-shell approach.
Even airlines that have not removed reclining seats entirely are beginning to acknowledge that unrestricted recline makes the cabin worse. Delta reduced economy recline on its Airbus A320 fleet from four inches to two, saying the change formed part of its efforts to make the in-flight experience ‘more enjoyable’ and would preserve more room for passengers to work, watch screens and use the space they had paid for. Delta did not add more rows as part of that trial; it simply recognised that reducing recline improved the experience for the cabin as a whole.
That is the quiet admission buried beneath all the industry language. Airlines know reclining seats cause conflict. They know passengers value reliable personal space. They know lighter, thinner and fixed seating can reduce weight, improve efficiency and make better use of the cabin. They also know that a seat does not need to collapse backwards into another passenger to be comfortable.
Some airlines have already accepted that reality, while others continue fitting an obsolete mechanism and leaving passengers to fight over the consequences. They may be moving slowly, but the direction of travel is obvious: less recline, fixed recline or no recline at all.
The answer already exists. The only question is how long the rest of the industry intends to pretend that it doesn’t.
People Can’t Be Trusted With Reclining Seats
Until these changes become universal, it is clear that something has to change. The status quo of arguments, viral videos and petty disputes every year cannot continue. Airlines have shown little appetite for fixing the problem themselves, and passengers have demonstrated time and again that they simply cannot be trusted to use reclining seats with even the most basic level of courtesy or consideration. At this point there is only one sensible answer left.
Ban them.
For decades the argument has been that people should simply be polite, recline responsibly or ask the passenger behind before pressing the button. It is a lovely idea. It is also one that has failed spectacularly. If common decency were enough to solve the problem, this debate would have disappeared years ago. Instead, every day somewhere in the world another passenger has a meal knocked over, a laptop crushed, their knees jammed into the seat in front or an argument with a complete stranger because somebody decided their comfort mattered more than everybody else’s.
The simple truth is that you cannot trust selfish people not to be selfish. You cannot build an entire system around the hope that inconsiderate people will suddenly become considerate the moment they board an aircraft. If they possessed that level of courtesy in the first place, this issue would not exist.
That is the problem with relying on etiquette. Etiquette only works when people choose to follow it. Plenty of passengers do. Far too many don’t. The result is exactly what we see today: endless conflict over a feature that should never have survived into the modern era.
The evidence has become increasingly one-sided. Poll after poll has shown that most passengers think reclining in economy is rude and unacceptable, particularly on shorter flights, while large majorities support restricting or banning reclining seats altogether. Cabin crew, the people who spend their working lives dealing with the inevitable arguments, have repeatedly voiced the same frustrations. They know exactly where these disputes come from because they are the ones forced to referee them.
Even airline executives are beginning to acknowledge the reality. Delta CEO Ed Bastian famously said that he doesn’t recline his own seat and that, if you want to recline, the right thing to do is ask the passenger behind you first. Think about what that admission really means. The chief executive of one of the world’s largest airlines effectively acknowledged that reclining affects the person behind you enough that their consent should matter. And if you have to ask permission before doing something, you’ve already admitted it isn’t an automatic right.
Unfortunately, asking permission is not a realistic long-term solution either. Some people won’t ask because they simply don’t care. Others will ask knowing that social pressure makes it awkward to refuse. Plenty will simply press the button without saying a word because, as this entire article has demonstrated, they have absolutely no consideration whatsoever for the person sitting behind them.
When people repeatedly prove they cannot be trusted to use something responsibly, then society generally responds by removing the option. We don’t continue pretending that next time will somehow be different. We recognise that the experiment has failed, take the toy away from the petulant child and move on.
That is where we have arrived at with the issue of reclining seats. The industry already knows the answer, now it just needs the courage to finish the job.
Ban Reclining Seats In Economy And End The Argument
This has never really been an argument about reclining seats.
It has been an argument about courtesy, consideration and the increasingly desperate battle for what little personal space remains in modern economy class. Reclining seats simply became the symbol of a much larger problem because they ask one passenger to improve their own comfort by making somebody else’s journey worse.
That was perhaps a reasonable compromise a century ago when aircraft cabins were spacious, passenger numbers were lower and reclining had little impact on anyone else. It is no longer compatible with the reality of modern air travel.
The airlines created the problem by cramming more seats into ever smaller spaces. Passengers then made it worse by proving, time and again, that a significant minority simply cannot be trusted to use the feature with even the most basic level of courtesy. The result has been decades of pointless arguments, passive-aggressive revenge, cabin crew caught in the middle, endless online debates and an astonishing amount of bad feeling over a button that never should have survived into the twenty-first century.
The good news is that the solution is neither complicated nor controversial. Airlines are already moving towards lighter, thinner, more efficient seats with fixed or reduced recline because they save weight, reduce fuel burn, lower maintenance costs, improve passenger space and create a better experience for the vast majority of travellers. The engineering has moved on.
Now the policy needs to catch up.
Ban reclining seats in economy class.
Keep them in Business and First, where there is sufficient space for them to exist without invading somebody else’s. Let passengers who want that extra comfort pay for it, just as they pay for every other premium feature on board.
As for economy, the experiment is over. We tried trusting people to use reclining seats responsibly. They failed.
It’s time to remove the button, end the argument once and for all, and let everyone arrive at their destination without spending the flight wondering whether the person in front is about to declare war on their kneecaps.
Michael Huxley
Michael Huxley is the founder of Bemused Backpacker, a travel writer, published author, international speaker and former nurse who has spent more than twenty-five years travelling independently through over 150 countries. He helps readers travel with more confidence, safety and perspective.
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142 responses to “The Final Word On Reclining Airline Seats. It Is Rude And They Should Be Banned.”
I agree with your conclusion. However, 6’2 is not average for the Western Man, not even close. For the USA the average is 5’9. The Netherlands is generally ranked the Tallest Western Country at an average of 6′. Younger men may be somewhat taller, but not necessarily. In many countries the increase in height stopped or plateaued over the past few decades. But, again, I agree with your argument. I am 6’3 and have to worry about not just fitting into my seat but suffering knee injuries if I position them in the wrong place, either for a recliner in front of me or a beverage cart or rolling suitcase coming down the aisle. And that doesn’t even consider the Comfort factor of rising above the back of the headrest on the seat or trying to slide my feet under the seat in front.
To be fair Berick you are right, although that data is well over a decade old now. I’m an easy 6″2 in bare feet and I’m not exactly considered tall amongst my peers. But I do take your point. But yes, trying to fit into the seat at our height is only just doable now, recliners just make an already uncomfortable but dealable with experience intolerable. The last time someone slammed back on me suddenly I was limping for a full day after!
I’m 5″9 as a woman and every male member of my family is at least 6 foot. The younger generations are 6″4, 6″5, so yeah I think those averages are skewed by older generations who are way shorter on average. The fact is that even an average 5″9 person like myself finds economy so uncomfortable now, any reclining into that shrunken space makes it intolerable and is just completely unneccessary. Ban them. Or stop recliners from flying.
I agree entirely. If there were some genuine understanding, consideration amd compromise I may feel different but there are just too many rude and selfish people who do as they please and think it is their right to do so, regardless of anyone else. Ban them.
Exactly Paula. Well said!
Agreed! Glad to see more and more people thinking like this too.
Thanks Alex.
Peoples rudeness and lack of consideration never ceases to amaze me. I never used to think reclining was much of a problem years ago but now I agree with you, space is just to short and it shouldn’t be allowed.
Very true.
It’s very simple, you don’t get to decide who can and can’t recline or when. That’s up to the seat and the airline who installs the seat.
No Chris, that is up to common decency and manners, which recliners fail at every single time. And I guess people and the airlines ARE deciding with the increase in pre reclined seats. So enjoy the decision!
If you are not supposed to recline your seat why provide seats that recline? Blame the greedy airline not the passengers
Well the point is many aren’t anymore are they? Reclining seats are not appropriate in modern economy so many airlines are taking them out. For those who still have them in, recliners should realise the onus is on them not to be rude or obnoxious.
So you think if I am provided a fork at mealtimes I should stab you in the head with it? That IS the function of the fork right? Why not use it? Because the use of anything also requires logic and consideration and the question is this appropriate in this situation! Which CLEARLY is no longer the case for reclining seats!
I always recline. I find this debate absurd. If you weren’t supposed to recline seats, they wouldn’t recline.
Your were supposed to recline them, 30 years ago before they started shrinking seat pitch to what it is now. Now it is just rude and inconsiderate. I’m supposed to jab the screen with my finger, doesn’t mean I do it so hard and repeatedly you get whiplash, does it? Your entire argument is absurd.
It’s your right to recline, you paid for it. I never recline because I feel it’s inconsiderate to the people behind me but I couldn’t yell at someone for reclining even if I hate it.
No it isn’t your right to recline as I said above, but I agree that is the reason I don’t recline too.
This entire argument is so stupid. I will always recline and I’m never going to change.
And that attitude is why a ban is needed, because you can never reason with selfish. Good luck reclining when all airlines have non reclining seats!
Selfish, selfish people. This is why everyone should start punching the back of the headrests when people recline. Selfishness doesn’t deserve consideration.
This is just pure ableism. I had a back injury & surgery that makes it difficult to sit upright. On a plane, being able to recline takes pressure off of my back. I shouldn’t have to declare that or justify why I want to recline.
Ableism! For crying out loud. As I said above if you have a condition that doesn’t allow you to use the chairs in their default sitting position safely, or without pain, then the onus is on you to make alternative arrangements like upgrading to business so you can recline or making shorter hops. It is not others responsibility to suffer for your condition.
Love this! The comfort that is gained from a few inches of recline is minimal compared to the discomfort and pain I feel with long legs at 5’10.
Exactly! Imagine how someone 6″2 and above feels!
Exactly! Why should the person in front of me get more comfort at my expense? Just pure selfishness.
Precisely Tara.
Yes! Hate recliners.
As do most people.
I saw that video too. I recline all the way and make no apologies for it. And if that guy had of punched the back of my seat he would have had his ass wooped!
Then you would have been arrested for ACTUAL assault and he would have been able to fly without a selfish recliner in front of him.
I personally hate it when people recline. I’m pretty small at 5″6 and pretty thin built and it’s still really stifling so I can only imagine what it is like for taller/larger people. And for those sitting by the window it’s almost impossible to get out of seat if one front seat is reclined let alone all of them.
Exactly! Imagine if there was an emergency situation and people were stuck in seats because the ones in front were all reclined? No one mentions that!
People pay for their ticket they should be able to recline. No permission needed.
Yes they pay for their ticket, not the right to be an arsehole.
If you don’t want them to recline make the seats not to recline. Simple. Since they do, fine to recline.
Well that’s why pre reclined fixed seats are becoming more popular. You recliners are having that option taken away from you!
Agree with you completely. I never recline out of courtesy, spaces are just too short now. Doesn’t stop idiots leaning back into my space though. Love your idea about reclining spaces only at the back (although the front would work too if it only went to the exit row seat).
Exactly, I genuinely don’t know why airlines don’t implement it!
I specifically get exit row and bulkhead seats where I can because they recline and do not have a seat that reclines in front of them.
So you are double selfish on both fronts then? You don’t want people to recline into you, but will happily recline into them, and then deny someone else that seat who is probably taller than you and doesn’t want a recliner in front of them? Seriously the selfishness of people is just shocking sometimes.
Unfortunately passengers who are nice and curteous are stuck between a rock an a hard place. We have no power to do anything in return because the air crew ignore us and tgese rude individuals have no qualms about goung on the attack if we even ask nicely. Sometimes theres nothing you can do but accept that people are selfish. This is why I agree with banning reclining completely.
Exactly Lisa.
I don’t care what anyone says. I’m reclining and you can all like it or lump it.
And people wonder why the guy in the video resorted to knocking the seat repeatedly. You people deserve all you get.
Who cares? This is such a stupid issue. Its not even like it changes the amount of space you are able to use. Read a book and relax!
Changing the amount of space you have is EXACTLY what it does Sam! How can you not see that? When’s your next flight? Should I sit on your knee the whole way?
They should disable or completely replace recliner seats on flights, there is just no need for them.
How can anyone not think it is anything but selfish to recline?
Exactly Will.
Just how much extra comfort does reclining actually get you anyway? I never recline.
Not much at all. Certainly not more than the pain or discomfort than it causes the person behind.
Ban them I say. My last flight the Ahole in front reclined the second the plane was in the air and kept it reclined the entire flight. Even during meals. I asked the air crew to help and they did ask but he refused. They then just shrugged and avoided us. How can this be right?
It isn’t Siobhan, not at all. That is exactly why they need to be banned.
I can’t wait to see all these recliners faces when all flights have fixed seats (It will happen). I’ll drink a big cup of their tears in front of them!
Haha now that I would like to see too!
I never recline my seat in consideration of the person in back of me. It is just pure common courtesy at this point. No one has any room now in economy so why make it harder in someone else? My husband is tall and I see how badly it affects him.
It really is just that Pam, common courtesy. And good on you!
Hands up for the recliner hate club here too.
There are a lot of us!
Reclining decades ago when there was adequate room was fine. Reclining now is just textbook entitlement.
Exactly. Me, me, me selfishness, pure and simple.
If airlines provide seats that recline, then you should be able to do so. I saw that video and the mans behaviour is horrific. My parents taught me manners and if it bothers the person behind you than that person should speak up politely and ask to bring the seat back up, not act like a damn child.
The guy in the video did, and the woman still reclined like a selfish idiot. Where were her manners then? Hmm?
I’d say it is okay IF you ask if the person behind you minds if you recline and only if they say yes. If not then don’t. The space between seats is already tiny
Now if everyone did this I don’t think it would be as big of an issue, but since the majority don’t, this is where we are.
This is all completely down to the airlines and their reduction of seat space. Why are people so angry at people reclining who are just as uncomfortable as they are? They should be angry at the airlines who dont value our health or well being, and have no respect for us. I have to recline and I’m not a millionaire so I cant fly first class or business.
Yes the airlines are at fault here too Heather. Unfortunately I’m not a millionaire either and I NEED space for my knees to fit without being painfully crushed, so since I can use the seat in its default function and you can’t, why does your need trump mine? If you have trouble with the default seat in economy it is you who should be upgrading to get the comfort of reclining.
Oh, well if you HAVE to recline, weĺl never mind the rest of us eh? You just carry on princess. Get comfortable. We’ll all just be back here suffering.
The seats recline!! If airlines don’t want passengers to recline, stop the seats from reclining!
They are. They are called ‘pre reclined’ seats. Did you not read the article? They just haven’t gotten round to all of them yet.
Some of the selfish answers here. SMH. How hard is it to understand that the shrunken space in economy is not suitable for recliners any more? This is just common sense!
Exactly Bailey. Some people just put their own needs above that basic fact.
I am so sick and tired of people saying ‘well they are supposed to recline’. I really don’t give a shit if the seats recline. The plane doors open, doesn’t mean you should do it mid flight. The plane has a button to call the crew, d9esn’t mean you press it non stop. It is called common sense you absolute idiots! I don’t understand why people think that it’s okay to have their seat smashing someone’s knees behind them. That hurts. A lot! Now THAT is assault. Unlike what this idiot woman in the video is now claiming for a nice big payout. Recliners make me sick.
Everyone likes to recline their seat on the plane. Why are people getting upset?
No they don’t. In fact over 90% of people hate recliners. Just read some of the replies here and you will see why.
Why are people upset? It is because of selfish inconsiderate idiots who don’t even realise the pain and discomfort they cause others!
Notice its usually the short people bagging all the extra leg room seats and then STILL reclining? Absolute scum.
Yep, that annoys the hell out of me too.
But what about long flights? You need to re line on them to sleep surely?
Nope, I take long flights all the time and I can sleep sat up no problem. If I have a window seat I will lean into the window but if not I can manage. Is it perfect? Of course not. But that is the situation we ALL find ourselves in in the default position in cramped and uncomfortable economy, it IS doable and I don’t make anyone else’s situation even worse.
Wow, the sheer number of people with absolutely no consideration for anyone else commenting about their ‘right to recline’ or ‘their comfort’ as if they are the only ones who matter, and then can’t see how that is the definition of selfish?! WTF?
Exactly Olivia.
I am totally with you. Ban all reclining seats now. I’m only small but on my last flight some dude reclined all the way back and it was horrible, cramped and I couldn’t move to get out. At least I wasn’t having my legs crushed (I’m 5″4) but it was still horrible. People are just the absolute worst.
They really are.
Yes the airlines are all at fault but surely people have a responsibility to be considerate too?
Exactly!
Is it really so hard just to not be a completr arsehole? All flyers should now recognize the limited space in economy and understand that their comfort should not come at the expense of anyone else. If you can’t handle that, pay to upgrade your seat.
Apparently for recliners it is!
I fly a lot, at least once a month and I think it is incredibly rude when the person in front of me reclines. I know, the seats are built with the ability to recline, but that doesn’t mean you SHOULD.
Exactly Matthew.
Recliner: I paid for my seat I’ll do what I want!
Translation: I paid for the privilege to treat you like shit and act like insufferable scum so suck it.
Haha, that is so accurate!
I have a bad back and find it extremely uncomfortable to sit upright. I need to recline the seat.
So? I have sore knees when you recline! I need you to stop squashing me and sit up. If you have a pre existing condition that means you can’t sit in economy in the default position everyone else sits in, then it is your responsibility to make arrangements and upgrade.
So you’re ok with someone reclining in front of you as long as they don’t touch your knees? Wow, how absolutely charitable of you. Should they get written and signed permission too? Everyone has the right to recline as far back as they want. Screw your comfort. And most people can’t afford 1st class you prick.
Well don’t you just sound lovely Kyle? And yes if everyone asked permission and asked could they recline just slightly to the point it would start pressing on and hurting my knees then stop, yes I would compromise with that. But in twenty years of travel I can count on the times recliners have been that polite on one hand. So yes they better get permission, and no they don’t have the right. Try reading the article.
Just because it’s an option doesn’t mean it should be used.
Exactly.
I fly a lot, always in coach. I never recline and I always pray the person in front of me doesn’t as well. Its such a selfish thing to do.
It really is. It’s just a shame recliners can’t see that!
Recliners in general should be shoved into a confined space and tortured for 3 days. Recliners who flop back without warning should be boiled in oil after that. Recliners who flop righ4 back for the whole flight should hace all that done while being castrated. Or sodomized. Or both
It is YOUR RIGHT TO RECLINE! If airlines don’t expect you to recline then they shouldn’t offer reclining seats!
No it isn’t. Read the article. And many aren’t now as they are replacing them with fixed seats.